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it was basically a cube with inside of

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sphere where the points of the cube

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast we've got another breakdown for

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you a little bit more on time this week

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after last week's one was late in the

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weekend if anything you're getting this

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one a little bit early because i am away

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in glasgow for a few days uh but

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nonetheless let's get into it dan

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welcome

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uh thank you for having me we won't do

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the pleasantries again we decided we're

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going to skip those last episode

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yes uh yeah we're past that but what we

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will do is um and it'll help us segue

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nicely as well is say hello to some of

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the new audience who might be listening

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and we'll see why just before we do that

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though this isn't a sponsor message so

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if you're listening to this on patreon

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apple uh youtube all that kind of stuff

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then and you normally don't hear adverts

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this is just for a good cause one of the

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listeners very loyal listener been in

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touch for a long time as well has um

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wanted to do something to help out the

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situation in ukraine um and there was

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various things he was looking into and

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what he's done is set up a clothing site

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that anything you buy

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all profits go to the victims of the war

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and he's going to look at how best to

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distribute that that money and funds um

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and match those donations as well so i'd

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like to say thank you if you go to the

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vlad.com there was another one but it

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wasn't able to be used and so

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www.bad

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dashvlad.com the link will be in the

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description the website is literally

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going live as we record this it's for a

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very good cause um we have not got

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anything for it we wouldn't want money

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or or any kind of gifts or our favors

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for reading something like that we do

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try and retweet and and stuff for any

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good causes where we can and especially

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as it's very prevalent so if you want to

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help out um please go to

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www.bad dash vlad.com and you can get a

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little something while supporting

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victims of the the kind of war over and

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over in ukraine just now which is

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obviously affecting millions of people

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and the quicker that's over the better

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and hopefully the sooner that you might

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be listening to this in the future and

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hopefully it was over and done with

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pretty pretty much after this so yeah

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horrible one but we touched on it last

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time as well but we can we can crack

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straight into the ufo news folks because

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so many of you got in touch saying you

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appreciate especially these types of

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entertainment however you take this even

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as news then if it gets you away from

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outside world for 10 minutes in an hour

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then then great glad we can help out

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with that podcast can be very

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therapeutic um

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welcome to anyone who's come over to the

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podcast from the theories of everything

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channel kojimungo uh very graciously

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afforded us uh an advertising spot on

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his on his channel um in exchange for

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helping him out with the the recent

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interview we've done we've been in touch

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with cut down having me for quite a

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while now and um it's always just nice

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to chat to him anyway but he he offered

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to do that for us in exchange for just a

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list of audience questions it was an

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audience questions show it wasn't an

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some poorer answers as it turns out the

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ufo community there's a section of

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of it that slandered him and brought his

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family into it which was a big no-no and

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everything as well you know what what a

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cool channel and kirk is really

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different guests on that show and i'd

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highly recommend that people go watch it

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nice way we did that um but just you

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are anonymous trials they're there to

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derail the conversation to cause drama

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subjects where actually will be studied

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think it will go away then because i

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sections of society regardless of the

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conversation that there's always going

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to be people that choose to ignore

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whatever the narrative might be or the

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the facts and go off on their own

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tangent but the best thing we can do is

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want to but like you say you have to

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kind of move on from it and it's one of

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those things like you can

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you can hide and mute and block people

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online but they'll find a way to come

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back into the conversation in some way

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it's very difficult to like you say than

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to totally negate that because

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they found out there was anonymous you

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people and that's just the way of life

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isn't it that's not exclusive to ufos

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unfortunate but yeah yeah

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the conversation as well like and i can

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totally appreciate why some people were

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potentially annoyed at the reaction or

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the language or the context but

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open here like you say you really

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enjoyed it i was on the fence

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in terms of the conversation i said at

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the time i think it's one that in future

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positively than it was received at the

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time and maybe since and i can even see

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some of the listeners that have messaged

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if i put things in a little context and

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take away that shock from the first time

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think one of the comments a few of you

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got in touch about this as well that

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they felt a little disappointed when

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they felt the ufo community was being

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attacked

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people like lou and others who are kind

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of on your side if you feel that and

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even if you want to include doesn't that

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that the ufo communities split into a

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lot of different you know sections and

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it wasn't aimed at everyone who's got an

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interest in ufos like dan said it was it

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was that

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little

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very vocal minority which which is

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because people probably don't appreciate

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even like ufo twitter

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or our ufo facebook you know there's

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sections on there like that there's

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massive chats or ufo reddit which has

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half a million members

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of it

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there there are there are still sections

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which shout the loudest and a lot of the

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really good people will get drowned out

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or don't get involved in the

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conversation because of that or they

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don't know how to to engage or don't

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want to engage in that kind of

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negativity and i think it was those

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negative aspects of the community that

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that lou and sean were were getting

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really frustrated at because they

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themselves had seen the effect of it

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over the course of i mean let's be

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honest years and months but particularly

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over a couple of weeks and i i thought

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it crazy and this i think

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the idea that they were both in the same

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room causing a conspiracy was was wild

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as it and it was like i mean it's quite

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clear they were in the same room when

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you saw lou walk past the mirror and it

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was like what's the big deal it was like

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that time we were in london dan and we

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were all sitting next to each other

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recording on on vinnie's channel and it

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was like oh look at they're all together

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are they in the same room yeah they're

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just on two different cameras so they're

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not next to each other for the sound

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yeah that's that's essentially what it

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was i mean they are friends and they do

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visit each other

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uh

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and as we found out it was online there

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was a wedding that weekend which they

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were both there for so

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they were they were in the same place

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and done the interview at the same time

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um which is ideal if dan and i could

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travel constantly to do interviews or

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these in the same place it would be much

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easier but we wouldn't sit side by side

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doing the recording you would have to

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plan and be a part and all that kind of

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stuff so

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yeah even things like that i think

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really frustrated them when the

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frustrations came to a boiling point

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cart

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obviously got that in the neck as such

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during the interview and

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i would encourage people again it's

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totally your your prerogative and we're

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going to discuss a few different

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interviews that have happened over the

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last couple of last week or so on this

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breakdown as well as some news and you

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can take away from the interviews what

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you want to take away if you feel there

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was nothing there in terms of news or

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updates that's that's totally fair and

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if you feel the conversation was

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unjustified or then that's totally fair

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but maybe take a second viewing of it

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especially that last half

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and just sit back and think what what's

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the commentary here on the conversation

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that people are having

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and again

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i think that has been the the peak and

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boiling point of this down period

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it's almost feels like that kind of came

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to a head

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of that lack of news and updates and

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loyalty on a big channel and and didn't

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give us a big reveal and you know

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everyone's waiting on the next video the

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book coming out they're waiting on the

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office updates they're waiting on the

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reports and then the reports come out

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they'll be disappointed that all the

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classified information isn't

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declassified and

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that's that's the nature of the subject

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and i just think it's again peaks and

385
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troughs the the good and the bad and i

386
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just think we hit a bit of a peak for a

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lot of different reasons

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there and we're kind of on the way down

389
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and we can kind of reflect on it and and

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move on and people are quite right to

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feel

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i'd emphasize grow though yeah you know

393
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not just move on but grow like really

394
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internalize what lou and sean said

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because they were absolutely correct

396
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like if you feel attacked maybe that's

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because you're someone who has

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facilitated that kind of conversation in

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the past or feels that may be deep down

400
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that you have instead of feeling annoyed

401
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about that just grow a little bit and

402
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kind of go you know what yeah it's time

403
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the subject grew up we're no longer

404
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dealing with something that's just in

405
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the fringes and in shadows this is

406
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legislation now this is being talked

407
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about in the halls of you know the

408
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pentagon and the white house freely they

409
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don't need to go into those secure rooms

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anymore

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so

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we we kind of need to grow up with the

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conversation as well

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and and just kind of last word on it i'm

415
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uh i'm still hopeful that i've not heard

416
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otherwise the interview with loyal go

417
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ahead in just over a month's time um it

418
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might end up being one of his last ones

419
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for a while who knows at this rate they

420
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appear to be winding down like they've

421
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said that's no secret and i would hope

422
00:14:26,389 --> 00:14:24,560
afterwards those interviews are on much

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bigger platforms in the mainstream to do

424
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with his book and getting that

425
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conversation back out there like

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happened like happened last summer

427
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that's what i would hope you know that

428
00:14:37,990 --> 00:14:34,639
he gets on to joe rogan and he's back on

429
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60 minutes fox cnn nbc you know whatever

430
00:14:41,829 --> 00:14:39,760
the big news channels are worldwide to

431
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get out there and have that conversation

432
00:14:46,150 --> 00:14:44,160
um but yeah i think it's a conversation

433
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that if if our interview goes ahead with

434
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lou

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really think of the questions you want

436
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to ask i i'm not scared of you know

437
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hardballing anyone that that doesn't

438
00:14:57,829 --> 00:14:54,959
happen like dan says there are just good

439
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questions lou himself has always said

440
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that he he will

441
00:15:02,949 --> 00:15:01,199
he can ask him anything he tells us that

442
00:15:03,990 --> 00:15:02,959
before we even interview him ask me

443
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anything

444
00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:06,000
again there's respectful ways to do it

445
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and i won't ask a question that's just

446
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one person's attack on someone else

447
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that's whether that's at lou or at

448
00:15:15,750 --> 00:15:14,240
someone else there's no point even if

449
00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:15,760
i'm asking a question about you know dr

450
00:15:20,629 --> 00:15:18,240
stephen grayer or corey good

451
00:15:22,550 --> 00:15:20,639
um david wilcox there's still respectful

452
00:15:24,150 --> 00:15:22,560
ways to do it whether i like or and or

453
00:15:25,829 --> 00:15:24,160
disagree with those people's opinions

454
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that's just the way it's kind of got to

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be i think to have a reasoned

456
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conversation i i think as a little word

457
00:15:32,790 --> 00:15:31,040
of advice for people writing their

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questions is just don't include your

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00:15:36,310 --> 00:15:34,959
opinion in the question that's it like

460
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if if you're asking someone for

461
00:15:39,590 --> 00:15:37,839
information there's no reason for your

462
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opinion to be there you want them to be

463
00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:41,279
talking just prompt them

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and i i'm going to try and with this

465
00:15:45,509 --> 00:15:44,079
interview as well because lewis still

466
00:15:48,150 --> 00:15:45,519
got a few interviews coming up i believe

467
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he's on ucr um and the next day or so as

468
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we record this yeah friday the 18th

469
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he'll be on ucl and my writing scenes on

470
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linda moulton house show coming up

471
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possibly uh there's a bunch of dates

472
00:16:02,150 --> 00:16:00,720
yeah yeah there's a few more still to go

473
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and i would suggest people listen to

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those and really think about if you

475
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really want to put a good question to

476
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lou i will put great questions to lou

477
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i'll do a whole interview with lou where

478
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i don't ask him anything of my own if

479
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all the other questions i perceive as

480
00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:15,279
being better if that sounds big-headed i

481
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apologize but

482
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the questions there's no point in asking

483
00:16:22,550 --> 00:16:21,440
about oh the tic-tac that commander

484
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favor saw

485
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you know

486
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there are ways to ask about the 23

487
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minute video and we'll get to that in a

488
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second with martin willis's interview

489
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but if you listen to a lot of the

490
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interviewers you're going to keep

491
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hearing the same stuff because it keeps

492
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being asked the same questions

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we'll really do our best to make sure

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it's an interview and a conversation

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about going forward um and if we do a

496
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lot about digging back the way we'll

497
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make sure it's stuff that's not covering

498
00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:45,199
old ground because that must be boring

499
00:16:49,110 --> 00:16:47,120
for the interviewer as well i've done a

500
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couple of interviews on on other

501
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podcasts um and i i'm really happy to

502
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help out other podcasts especially when

503
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i started out and growing because i

504
00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:56,320
remember what that was like and i'm

505
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fortunate to have the audience i've got

506
00:17:02,150 --> 00:17:00,320
now but you do end up getting just asked

507
00:17:03,030 --> 00:17:02,160
the same questions off everyone

508
00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:03,040
you know

509
00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:04,720
but i get you've got different audiences

510
00:17:09,270 --> 00:17:06,480
and different people hearing it and i

511
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get for someone like lou like sean like

512
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uh jacques villa gary nolan um

513
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you know

514
00:17:17,510 --> 00:17:15,760
michael masters tim mcmillan all these

515
00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:17,520
people who i've interviewed they do lots

516
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of interviews and they probably hear the

517
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same stuff and on a media run i'm

518
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:22,400
guessing there comes a point where it's

519
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like

520
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yep here we go i'll answer that question

521
00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:27,439
again and they do it with a little bit

522
00:17:31,350 --> 00:17:30,240
less verve and pizzazz and charisma than

523
00:17:33,750 --> 00:17:31,360
they would have done in the first time

524
00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:33,760
or second time round but anyway a lot of

525
00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:34,880
interviews have happened in the last

526
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week you may want to touch on some of

527
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those once again thanks to everyone

528
00:17:41,110 --> 00:17:39,200
who's come over thank you to carjay

529
00:17:42,789 --> 00:17:41,120
mungo for the shout out from theories of

530
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everything and thank you to you just the

531
00:17:48,070 --> 00:17:44,480
normal audience who comes back week

532
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:48,080
after week so you were thanking me

533
00:17:51,190 --> 00:17:49,360
there are many reasons i shouldn't thank

534
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:51,200
you

535
00:17:56,150 --> 00:17:53,360
so yeah let's move on another interview

536
00:17:58,390 --> 00:17:56,160
um that happened was lou and sean and

537
00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:58,400
danny sheehan joined thomas fessler

538
00:18:01,270 --> 00:18:00,000
again all the links for these interviews

539
00:18:02,950 --> 00:18:01,280
will almost definitely be in the

540
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description if i remember i've made a

541
00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:04,960
note to do it um i'd hold down that

542
00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:08,640
beforehand like remind me um but dan you

543
00:18:12,150 --> 00:18:10,480
enjoyed a particular

544
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um

545
00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:14,160
moment danny sheehan had on thomas

546
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:16,559
fesslers if you want to relay that back

547
00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:18,240
i i dubbed the moment the uap and the

548
00:18:22,950 --> 00:18:20,080
butterfly i thought it was a really nice

549
00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:22,960
fable that danny spoke about um it was

550
00:18:29,029 --> 00:18:25,919
prompted by some conversation about will

551
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:29,039
uab or the occupants of uap help us in

552
00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:31,200
ukraine or if there's nuclear

553
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:32,080
you know

554
00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:33,039
uh

555
00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:34,640
conflict if they'll step in and stop it

556
00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:36,799
and so on so forth um you know why are

557
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:39,200
we being helped and danny told this

558
00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:40,960
fable and and i

559
00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:43,200
kind of can't remember verbatim but

560
00:18:47,350 --> 00:18:45,600
basically the idea was that there was a

561
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:47,360
boy who was watching a butterfly come

562
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:49,600
emit from a cocoon and he watched this

563
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:51,200
butterfly struggle out and the butterfly

564
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:52,720
went to fly away and

565
00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:54,640
it emerged fine except for this one

566
00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:56,000
little silver strand that was still

567
00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:57,919
holding it to the cocoon so the boy

568
00:19:02,549 --> 00:19:00,320
thinking he was helping it snipped the

569
00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:02,559
strand um

570
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:04,720
but unfortunately it meant the butterfly

571
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:06,480
couldn't fly unbeknownst to the boy that

572
00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:10,000
silver strand was the the struggle that

573
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:11,360
basically when the butterfly was strong

574
00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:12,720
enough to break that silver strand it

575
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:15,120
could actually fly on its own now

576
00:19:19,029 --> 00:19:17,120
the muscle yeah exactly it built the

577
00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:19,039
muscles up um

578
00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:19,840
so

579
00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:22,080
he he was likening that to to this

580
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:24,160
moment for us in the uap subject that

581
00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:26,799
maybe as a as a

582
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:29,120
species we need to grow up in the same

583
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:30,960
way and this is this is the moment where

584
00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:32,880
you don't want to cut that silver thread

585
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:33,679
and

586
00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:35,600
that's essentially what you may be

587
00:19:39,990 --> 00:19:37,919
stepping in here would do um you know we

588
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:40,000
need to emerge on our own terms and and

589
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:41,760
stand on our own two feet and i thought

590
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:42,880
that

591
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:44,400
it was a nice fable and it applies to a

592
00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:46,000
lot in life as well

593
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:47,919
100 yeah again the link for that

594
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:50,160
interview will be within the description

595
00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:51,840
that was happened around the same time

596
00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:54,240
as kurtz and also the the next one which

597
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:56,080
i i managed to actually catch this one

598
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:58,559
myself and pretty much in full uh martin

599
00:20:03,029 --> 00:20:01,280
willis of podcast ufo who's been going

600
00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:03,039
quite a long a long time i think he said

601
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:04,000
um

602
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:05,360
eight or nine years maybe more than that

603
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:07,120
martin willis has been commenting on the

604
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:09,440
subject yeah online and i used to listen

605
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:11,200
to martin miller well before i started

606
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:14,720
my own two um so he had gary nolan on

607
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:16,640
for the first part of the show and then

608
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:18,240
luella zondo for the second part but

609
00:20:21,669 --> 00:20:19,679
there was a bit of overlap as well which

610
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:21,679
i found really interesting and we're

611
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:23,039
going to mention body language in a

612
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:24,400
couple of interviews here i think as

613
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:26,080
well um

614
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:28,159
always encourage you to go and watch and

615
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:30,240
listen any of these interviews watch

616
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:31,520
them on youtube or listen to them on

617
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:33,840
your your audio platforms um yourself

618
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:35,840
regardless of what i think or dan thinks

619
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:38,000
or the community thinks go and watch it

620
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:39,679
and make up your own mind because just

621
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:41,440
because i don't take something from an

622
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:44,240
interview or dan does doesn't mean you

623
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:45,840
might have a totally different take away

624
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,120
from it and that's that's where you can

625
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:48,960
really build your own kind of opinion

626
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:50,720
and knowledge on the subject and so

627
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:52,240
please please go and check these all out

628
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:54,559
but um martin started off by saying

629
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:56,559
there were five moderators in the chat

630
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,799
for his conversation with gary nolan and

631
00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:00,559
i think that was a commentary on the

632
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:02,080
state of affairs we find ourselves in

633
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:03,120
now that

634
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,799
content creators are a bit worried about

635
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:06,880
the online trolls and keyboard warriors

636
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:08,720
and stuff but it's it's part of that

637
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:10,640
conversation and it wasn't just on on

638
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:12,559
cuts channel um

639
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:14,480
martin willis asked gary about michael

640
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:16,799
masters time traveler theory and gary

641
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:18,559
came back with a retort from his friend

642
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,000
jack vallee which i thought was quite

643
00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:22,320
good and he mentioned about you know so

644
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:23,840
essentially gary what do you think about

645
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,159
the idea that michael masters and others

646
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:28,400
have said this is future humans or time

647
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:30,159
travelers coming back to this point in

648
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,840
time for whatever reason

649
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:33,360
and and

650
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,320
gary

651
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,840
quite cleverly avoiding the question in

652
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:37,520
a sense but also

653
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:39,280
giving us a great comment from his

654
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:41,520
friend jack valet was or maybe it's

655
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,799
something that's trying to look like

656
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:44,480
it's coming from the future and i

657
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,080
thought that was quite interesting again

658
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,400
that that idea dan you're much more read

659
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,320
up on jack valley's theories and ideas

660
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:52,400
than myself but where does that sit for

661
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:54,159
you and what jack talks about his ideas

662
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:57,679
i mean it's absolutely correct basically

663
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,240
we're referencing slide 9 here that kind

664
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,320
of complete cognitive control of our

665
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:04,400
environment or our perception

666
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:07,039
one of one of those basically if there

667
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:09,440
exists a live form who can manipulate

668
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:11,919
what we see or better off it can show us

669
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,360
what it wants to show us and it would

670
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:17,360
probably i mean at least if we had that

671
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:18,720
technology and we were going to another

672
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,960
planet we would misrepresent ourselves

673
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:22,799
so that we could ease the people in a

674
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:24,880
little better um and and that's some of

675
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:27,200
the thinking behind how

676
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,360
these these anomalous events over the

677
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,200
years jack valley's work goes way way

678
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,880
way back looking at just some strange

679
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:34,880
sightings and it used to be airships but

680
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:37,120
now we kind of have these smooth

681
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:39,440
seamless technologically superior craft

682
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:40,400
that we see

683
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:43,600
so you have to wonder if maybe

684
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:45,760
our our collective perception of what

685
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:47,840
something other would look like is

686
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:50,640
actually being maybe guided or you know

687
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:53,520
fulfilled in a way by something that can

688
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:56,080
project a hologram essentially

689
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:57,919
and you think of even our own technology

690
00:23:01,990 --> 00:22:59,840
in terms of space travel what at one

691
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:02,000
point we could launch things into space

692
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:04,000
but we couldn't bring them back it's not

693
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:05,760
safely and then we could launch things

694
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:08,559
into space to probe other planets

695
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:11,679
yeah yeah i know yeah the animals and

696
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,520
then you had the you know we were

697
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,840
crashing probes into planets whereas now

698
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:17,760
we've got to a point we can put landers

699
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,520
onto planets that that roll around and

700
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:21,600
if you're an alien life form or if

701
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,240
you're the humans of that planet and you

702
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:26,880
saw the mars rover for example is that

703
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:28,880
really representative as a species of

704
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:31,280
our technology not really it's just it's

705
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:32,880
just a thing we have and we've developed

706
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,440
to work on that planet so potentially

707
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:37,200
whatever we are seeing on this planet is

708
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,919
just

709
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:39,840
the rover for somewhere else where

710
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:40,960
that's the technology they have

711
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,880
developed and they're sent elsewhere

712
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:45,120
that they're using to to navigate and

713
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:47,840
explore and it might be for them

714
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:50,080
relatively primitive it might be a real

715
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:51,360
offshoot of something else they have

716
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,880
which is actually much more practical

717
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:54,240
where they are

718
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:55,919
like for example us you wouldn't use a

719
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:58,080
mars rover to drive about you know barry

720
00:24:01,909 --> 00:24:00,000
in wales would you then because you you

721
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,919
wouldn't get very far very quickly no

722
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:03,200
not that it's the biggest place in the

723
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,440
world but you know you're you're kind of

724
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,440
stuck with a very slow moving couple of

725
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:09,440
meters a day i think it is isn't it yeah

726
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,159
it's very slow deliberate very clunky

727
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:14,400
not the best and potentially as much as

728
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:16,480
we think they look advanced that's the

729
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,159
craft and the the equipment and

730
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:20,159
technology we are seeing when these uaps

731
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:21,200
appear

732
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,120
and maybe orbs

733
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:25,279
craft you know cigar shape triangles are

734
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,960
just different variations like we send

735
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,799
up to different planets depending on

736
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,960
depending on their purpose but yeah just

737
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:32,880
food for thought and i never made a note

738
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:33,919
of that that was just something i

739
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,840
thought of so hopefully that made sense

740
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:36,960
to folks

741
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,760
um gary and lou mentioned uh luke came

742
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:41,679
on relatively quickly in the interview

743
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:43,520
um he said he was a fan of gary's

744
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:44,880
obviously he worked alongside him

745
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:47,120
several in several different capacities

746
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:48,320
and they said they were working on

747
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,240
things to come out in the future

748
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,240
in terms of more of an academic side of

749
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,400
things so something to look forward to

750
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:56,799
any hints and ideas than at what what

751
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:58,240
they might be getting at there in terms

752
00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:59,679
of academia

753
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:02,080
i i would go with probably we'll be

754
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,600
seeing more papers come out studying

755
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:06,000
these materials that is purported to be

756
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:07,360
anomalous

757
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:10,559
and probably at least we've heard a lot

758
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:13,440
about biological studies and databases

759
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:15,760
um especially through the skinwalker at

760
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,640
the pentagon book and and the osap stuff

761
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,400
i i think we might start seeing some

762
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:22,640
more studies of that open up so you can

763
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:24,960
actually read about them is gary on the

764
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:27,520
galileo project

765
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:28,480
i

766
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:52,400
there you go that could also be an

767
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:55,520
aspect of it too um lew says on the the

768
00:26:03,110 --> 00:25:59,120
15th of march as it was recorded the aoi

769
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:03,120
msg um has had funding approved and sits

770
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:05,679
under the under secretary of defense um

771
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:08,000
lew didn't speak negatively on the aoi

772
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:09,520
msg than

773
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,559
does this

774
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:12,240
mark a turning point that that

775
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:13,360
department

776
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,039
is happening and

777
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,279
we just have to

778
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,760
let it be and work with it

779
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,039
in terms of

780
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:23,440
do i mean we have a legislation update

781
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:25,039
in this we can jump into that now if you

782
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,240
want and kind of yeah yeah it might be a

783
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:28,240
good place to bring it in yeah cool nice

784
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,360
um yeah so on the 15th um

785
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:33,120
biden president joe biden signed the

786
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,360
intelligence authorization act 2022 um

787
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,880
or the omnibus spending bill i should

788
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,799
say it was signed into law and it

789
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,200
requires a couple of things one

790
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,279
data sharing immediately with the navy

791
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,360
uap task force and the national air and

792
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:49,840
space intelligence center which is based

793
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:52,000
at wright-patterson air force base if

794
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:53,919
your hackles go up at the words air

795
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:55,120
force you're doing this subject

796
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:57,919
correctly um and also to include

797
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,320
quarterly reports so that passed so we

798
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,559
can now expect those the the first

799
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:04,240
report and bear in mind this will be a

800
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:07,039
classified report to the armed services

801
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:09,039
and intelligence committees that will

802
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,240
come on the 13th of june 2022 under the

803
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,000
jill brand amendment which the correct

804
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,880
term for that is pl11781

805
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:19,200
it's a big mouthful um that's what

806
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,720
passed over christmas

807
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:22,480
we'll be looking at a classified

808
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:25,760
briefing on around the the end of this

809
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:28,159
month around the 28th of march and then

810
00:27:31,549 --> 00:27:30,080
the first public report that we'll see

811
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,559
from uh

812
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,120
11718

813
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:35,760
is will be at halloween the 31st of

814
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:37,360
october

815
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:38,880
there were a couple of other interesting

816
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:41,120
things in in that bill that was a

817
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,640
strengthening protections for ic

818
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:44,720
whistleblowers icb intelligence

819
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:47,520
community so that would maybe apply to

820
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:48,960
some of these people that we are hoping

821
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:50,320
will come out of the woodwork and start

822
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:52,399
talking about this it'll give them some

823
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:53,919
kind of apparatus and protection to

824
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:55,360
start doing that

825
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:57,440
and also there's a new program office

826
00:28:01,190 --> 00:28:00,000
for commercial geospatial data

827
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:01,200
which it's a bit of a mouthful but

828
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,559
basically it means that the national

829
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:04,720
reconnaissance office and the national

830
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:07,360
geospatial intelligence office

831
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,320
are

832
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,720
planning to establish

833
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:12,480
an office that is responsible for

834
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,720
gathering data from commercial companies

835
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,640
of from things like satellites they're

836
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:18,559
calling it geo int

837
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,000
so

838
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:22,159
companies in private aerospace putting

839
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,919
satellites in the air taking certain

840
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:26,240
readings all of that data will also go

841
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:28,960
to into this office and i imagine that

842
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:32,000
will be invaluable to the search for uap

843
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,919
excellent thank you and some good dates

844
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:35,840
to mark on your calendar there as well

845
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,600
uh we can guarantee we'll have some

846
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,440
breakdowns breaking news updates out on

847
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:41,440
those those dates for you if there's

848
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,720
there's stuff to talk about which i'm

849
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:44,159
sure there will be regardless even if

850
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,679
it's language and

851
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,080
putting a fine tooth comb over the the

852
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,399
details on there as well um a few more

853
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,399
things from the interview one one for me

854
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:54,080
that i would encourage people if you

855
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:55,279
weren't going to go and watch the full

856
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:57,200
thing especially there was one bit where

857
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,480
gary nolan was talking about

858
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:00,880
investigating the atomic structure of

859
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,720
potential bodies that may or may not be

860
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:04,960
recovered from from crashes to to

861
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:06,399
investigate

862
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,360
how

863
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:09,520
you would work out if they're if they're

864
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:12,480
human or not um and i go and watch what

865
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:14,000
gary says it's pretty interesting it's

866
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,760
very much speculative and just this is

867
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:17,360
what i would do it's not what he has

868
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,360
done so he says um but lou is watching

869
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,520
it and i think the body language lou is

870
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,039
pretty interested and intrigued at what

871
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,360
gary was saying and i mean you could

872
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:29,200
probably really look into it and be like

873
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,480
lewis making sure he doesn't see

874
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:32,559
anything untoward here i don't think lou

875
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,240
gives much away in terms of he doesn't

876
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:36,240
flinch or smile or wink or anything at

877
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,520
the camera but

878
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,760
lube is watching it pretty intently and

879
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:41,840
um so go and watch that little bit of

880
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,600
body language as as gaddy's talking

881
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:45,760
about how you would examine

882
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,559
any potential body um i think it was off

883
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,559
the back of earlier in the show they had

884
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:52,559
talked about the atacama body that of

885
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:54,640
course found out that's right it was a

886
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,399
skeleton of a humanoid little baby

887
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,320
essentially more than likely um from

888
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:00,720
some time ago um

889
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,799
and and just to round off the last thing

890
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:04,159
in the interview that i thought was was

891
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,360
pretty interesting and it's something

892
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:07,360
i've brought up before and i suppose it

893
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:09,120
depends where you land in the

894
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,399
conversation in terms of conspiracy and

895
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:14,320
and trust in the government or not and

896
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:16,080
other people as to how you might feel

897
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:17,120
about this

898
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,720
low made the comment that not everyone

899
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:20,480
with a security clearance is trying to

900
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:21,679
deceive you

901
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,399
and hit this notice too yeah i was i've

902
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:27,120
put my notice exactly people forget that

903
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,640
many of the folks coming out of these

904
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:29,919
briefings

905
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:32,320
are leaving very highly classified

906
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,440
briefings

907
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,520
and they're probably calling home to to

908
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,760
check on how the kids are or they're

909
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,840
calling up a care home to find out how

910
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,520
their elderly relatives getting along

911
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:43,440
just now if they had their meds how they

912
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,279
coping to some kind of treatment they go

913
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:47,279
home and they probably ordered domino's

914
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,120
pizza or papa john's or whatever your

915
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:51,600
local pizza place is after a break they

916
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:54,159
go to disneyland for holiday and these

917
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:55,679
are the shadowy figures that people

918
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:58,159
refer to and i think it's like no doubt

919
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,679
there are some of those classic

920
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:01,440
hollywood type

921
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:03,360
people in the halls of government as we

922
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,960
hear that are trying to do bad and

923
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:06,480
trying to you know derail the

924
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:09,360
conversation and keep things covered up

925
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:12,000
but you can't think everyone is and if

926
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:13,360
you're going to use that blanket term

927
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:16,080
the government it covers too much um so

928
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:19,120
i do think you have to i think i anyway

929
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,480
you don't have to that's wrong i can't

930
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:21,919
tell you what to do but

931
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:23,840
i've got faith there are some people

932
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:25,840
whether they are in intelligence or

933
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,679
counterintelligence or their military or

934
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:29,760
navy or police

935
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:32,240
air pilot air force pilot civilians some

936
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:33,760
are good some are bad some are in the

937
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,559
middle somewhere but they do a role and

938
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:38,720
and again if you're just going to take

939
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:41,360
everyone as being a liar then you're not

940
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:42,960
going to get far in the subject other

941
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:45,440
than having your own experiences so

942
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:46,720
it's just just a little bit of food for

943
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:48,399
thought for people because we're in a

944
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:50,960
time where we are getting more and more

945
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:52,799
people coming forward to have those

946
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:55,919
conversations most recently john ramirez

947
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:57,440
actually not most recently and what

948
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:58,960
we're going to talk about next but john

949
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:01,200
ramirez obviously most notably came out

950
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:02,480
quite recently done a lot of interviews

951
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:03,519
and talked about a lot of really

952
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,720
interesting

953
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,640
ideas some from a place of knowledge

954
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:08,559
some pure speculation

955
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:10,799
others met somewhere in the middle it

956
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,799
would appear um

957
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:14,159
and like you say dan with this new

958
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:15,840
legislation having

959
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:18,080
protection for whistleblowers from the

960
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,399
iec community coming out there's a

961
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:22,559
chance we're going to get more of that

962
00:33:07,430 --> 00:32:23,360
i

963
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,440
people that

964
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,600
have done the cover-up may have a reason

965
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:11,600
they feel is justified um this comes

966
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:13,120
back to the whole talk about the ufo

967
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,559
community you know it's made up of

968
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:16,559
people we all have individual desires no

969
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:17,760
two people are the same we all have

970
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,880
different beliefs so the sooner that you

971
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,559
know people split up that community and

972
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,480
start thinking of us all as just people

973
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:26,240
um the same with the world at large i

974
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,240
think i think the better we'll learn to

975
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,200
work with each other a bit more um yeah

976
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,120
but dan you and i are very different in

977
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:35,519
a lot of ways and even in the ufo

978
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:37,919
conversation like you come from a very

979
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:39,279
different place

980
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,720
there are places we definitely meet in

981
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,480
the middle 100 percent people hear that

982
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,320
but there's a lot of stuff where you've

983
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:46,559
got a real interest and i'm like meh and

984
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:47,760
there's stuff that i've got more of an

985
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:49,760
interest in where you're like yeah okay

986
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:52,159
but and it's again you just have to okay

987
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:53,600
cool i hear what you're saying but i

988
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,760
think this and you kind of change and

989
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,279
your opinion should be fluid and kind of

990
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,840
mold as you can as you grow if you see

991
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:01,519
using your word from earlier like we

992
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:03,200
never you know when we talk about these

993
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,559
things we're never attacking each other

994
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:06,640
personally right like

995
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:08,000
what we think of each other people is

996
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,839
totally separate i mean unless there's a

997
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:11,679
dialogue going on in your head that i i

998
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,599
am unaware of there's always there's

999
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:15,119
always a second dialogue going on in my

1000
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:16,720
head but you know what i'm getting at

1001
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,520
100

1002
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:19,679
do not take this personally uh we're all

1003
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:20,879
on the same side trying to figure this

1004
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:23,200
out so we should uh learn to identify

1005
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,399
our allies

1006
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:27,040
yeah that's it um the

1007
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:28,879
seguing into that roughly uh project

1008
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:31,599
unity had an interview that just sorry

1009
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:33,520
one more thing just because

1010
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,919
gary in the interview um

1011
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:37,760
recommended some books

1012
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:39,919
uh that people should read and then gary

1013
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:41,200
will be able to open up a bit more on

1014
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:43,280
the conversation those two books were by

1015
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:44,800
richard dawkins they were the selfish

1016
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:47,280
gene and the blind watchmaker so if you

1017
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:48,960
have read them and you have any ideas

1018
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:50,240
give us a shout but i'm going to be

1019
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,760
picking up those soon and i'll i'll have

1020
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:53,040
a read

1021
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:54,639
i think i'm getting better at this stan

1022
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,760
can you just because people will have

1023
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,200
heard that and when oh oh there was

1024
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:58,960
recommendations just repeat those books

1025
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,079
for us again

1026
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,480
the selfish gene and

1027
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,400
then a separate book the blind

1028
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,200
watchmaker both by richard dawkins there

1029
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:09,119
you go cool um

1030
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:11,920
so yeah project unity jay over there had

1031
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:14,000
uh who's been quiet for a while

1032
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,160
announced he had well what he said at

1033
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,240
first was he had a huge interview that

1034
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,480
um bigger than chris melon was the the

1035
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:22,800
hype and it was let's be honest um

1036
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:25,599
admiral bobby ray inman who has

1037
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:28,000
quite the background when you when you

1038
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,760
look at what his former positions have

1039
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,359
been the organizations he's worked in

1040
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:33,599
within government and it goes back quite

1041
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:36,880
some time um admiral inman is is 90

1042
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,599
years of age now so i don't think he's

1043
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:41,680
done many interviews i think the most

1044
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,560
notable recent one was 1989 i think in

1045
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:46,960
many of the conversations i had seen so

1046
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:49,680
yeah you're looking at like i was three

1047
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:51,040
you know so

1048
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,640
you're going back 33 30 almost 35 years

1049
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:57,119
to when he really last spoke out on on

1050
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:59,520
the topic in conversation and i'm

1051
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:01,040
probably getting this slightly wrong

1052
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:03,119
please look it up yourself but i i

1053
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:04,880
believe even then it was a a

1054
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,560
conversation that leaked that wasn't

1055
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,400
meant to be recorded on the topic of

1056
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,480
ufos that that he was involved and he

1057
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,640
was named on so he's not necessarily

1058
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,320
someone that's that's been out and about

1059
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:16,800
in the past jumping on various different

1060
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,800
radio shows or tv programs as it would

1061
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:20,720
have been back in the 70s and 80s and

1062
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,680
90s talking about the ufo subject it

1063
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:25,520
seems he did have an involvement no

1064
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:28,960
reportedly in many many different ways

1065
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,640
the interview just happened or just

1066
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,400
aired last night i've not had the chance

1067
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:34,640
to to watch it myself i believe it's

1068
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:37,280
only an hour or so long um it's just

1069
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:39,040
just shy of an hour i think about 51

1070
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:41,839
minutes yeah and that probably reflects

1071
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:44,000
and i again like any of those other

1072
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:45,599
interviewers go and watch it yourself

1073
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,240
and make up your own mind um but jay

1074
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:50,560
himself i've seen comment on on his live

1075
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:53,040
chat and from some of the people in the

1076
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,520
that ufo podcast discord channel who had

1077
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:57,599
watched it and commented it was a bit of

1078
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:59,599
an awkward one again this has maybe been

1079
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:00,880
the theme of the last week for some of

1080
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,720
these interviews uh as it seems the

1081
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,960
guest wasn't necessarily playing ball in

1082
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:06,640
terms of the questions

1083
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:09,040
a lot of people in advance thought

1084
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,800
admiral inman was going to be coming out

1085
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,119
and having a conversation openly about

1086
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:16,000
ufos and the history and his involvement

1087
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:17,359
and it seems

1088
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:19,760
the the takeaway headline from myself

1089
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:21,040
and i know you've got to take away dan

1090
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,000
as well

1091
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:24,000
from many people including jay himself

1092
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,359
who said yeah it was a little bit you

1093
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,680
know awkward and not what he expected

1094
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:29,520
admiral inman more or less brushed off

1095
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,400
the subject as being the navy

1096
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,079
misidentifications

1097
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:36,880
and adversarial drone technology

1098
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:37,680
and

1099
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:40,240
there was also a body language aspect of

1100
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:41,599
it then i've seen a few people comment

1101
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,359
on that that was something you picked up

1102
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:45,839
for sure the the interview you know jay

1103
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:48,640
speaks to admiral inman about a whole

1104
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:51,200
bunch of things like his career

1105
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:52,240
and

1106
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,839
about halfway through the interview it

1107
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:55,359
switches to be

1108
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:56,720
covering uap

1109
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:59,119
and admiral inman's body language

1110
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:01,040
visibly changes he he goes from very

1111
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,560
relaxed and he sits up and the arms

1112
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:04,400
cross and he's totally closed off and as

1113
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,920
soon as he did it i thought oh god the

1114
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,680
community is going to have a a great

1115
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:09,119
i've used that word again community

1116
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:11,040
people are going to have a great time

1117
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,880
with uh analyzing this body language

1118
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:15,119
because i think it's quite telling he

1119
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:16,800
essentially just denied everything and

1120
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,839
food the subject interviews like this

1121
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:22,000
it's best to

1122
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:23,760
not have any expectations and just be

1123
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:25,520
thankful that we're getting this person

1124
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:26,800
on record

1125
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:28,800
that that was the bottom line for me so

1126
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,359
i'm not too perturbed that he denied

1127
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,680
everything it's more for me about making

1128
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,520
sure that we get this person on record

1129
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,920
saying whatever he's going to say

1130
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:40,240
yep and and and the annuals of history

1131
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,880
down the line maybe those comments turn

1132
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:45,200
out to be correct false or or somewhere

1133
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,720
in the middle which is always probably

1134
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:48,640
more likely to be the the case in this

1135
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,320
subject as well but again the link for

1136
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,320
that will be in the the conversation and

1137
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:54,800
the conversation and the description of

1138
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:57,280
this uh of this conversation jesus i

1139
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,240
just really want to see the word

1140
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,560
conversation folks

1141
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,560
conversation yeah because that's all

1142
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,480
this is a conversation folks don't get

1143
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:06,880
upset um but yeah project unity check

1144
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:09,359
that out admiral bobby ray inman um a

1145
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:10,960
relatively short interview especially

1146
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:13,760
for for jay's style and channel go check

1147
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:15,280
that one out and let us know your

1148
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:16,240
thoughts

1149
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:17,680
that's pretty much it from an interview

1150
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:20,160
point of view for for the last week um i

1151
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:21,520
recommend people go and check all of

1152
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:24,720
those out um a lot to digest some

1153
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:26,800
controversial stuff some really deep

1154
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:29,280
conversation maybe some laundry that had

1155
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,760
to be aired and and it happened you know

1156
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,839
kind of on on different channels or

1157
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,599
didn't happen as some of them went but

1158
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,839
it's the laundry i think just to kind of

1159
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,440
put a pin in it

1160
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,680
it's it's this juxtaposition that we can

1161
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,359
be talking about aliens and eating and

1162
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,359
coming here and being all you know we're

1163
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:47,040
going to work with aliens from another

1164
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,079
planet

1165
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:50,400
when some people can't even get over the

1166
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,680
fact that there are other people in

1167
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:53,680
other countries with different beliefs

1168
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,640
and

1169
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,880
it's just to say the community or people

1170
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,240
in the community need to take a look in

1171
00:40:01,589 --> 00:40:00,079
the mirror and think about really what

1172
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,599
they want in the future because if

1173
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:03,359
aliens came down would they be able to

1174
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,200
stomach working with them would they

1175
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:07,359
like that or do they just like the idea

1176
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,800
that they have in their heads of this

1177
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,880
you know sci-fi narrative you know we we

1178
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:13,200
need to think about how we treat others

1179
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:16,079
here before we can fully embrace looking

1180
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,319
outside of humanity

1181
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:20,400
and that's again not to go for everyone

1182
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:22,240
some people are great but there's just

1183
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,920
that weird juxtaposition that keeps

1184
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,960
coming up

1185
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:26,400
yeah and but

1186
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,400
before we start sounding like guardians

1187
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:30,160
of the conversation folks you don't take

1188
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,680
anything you say with a pinch of salt

1189
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:33,839
please but it would just be easier to

1190
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:35,599
folks allowed other people to share

1191
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:37,200
their opinions and decide whether or not

1192
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:38,880
they wanted to to go along with that and

1193
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,440
then move on and that that's it but

1194
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:43,920
people get very argumentative um

1195
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,440
speaking of which i've got joe morgier

1196
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:47,520
coming on uh hopefully next week

1197
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:49,520
to have joe won't mind me saying that um

1198
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,119
to come on and have a chat about a few

1199
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,680
different things so amazing

1200
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:55,520
yeah joe likes to joe likes to get

1201
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,400
involved in a few different

1202
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:58,079
conversations doesn't he he won't mind

1203
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,680
and um

1204
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:00,720
it's great to go over all this kind of

1205
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:02,480
stuff with him as well as to to where

1206
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:03,839
he's at and he's got some really good

1207
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,839
sources

1208
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,960
um i was going to say allegedly but

1209
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:08,640
definitely from from some of the claims

1210
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:09,760
he makes and some of the people he

1211
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,599
speaks to that'll be an interesting one

1212
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,680
as well so yeah look forward to

1213
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,440
bringing johan breaking the icr down

1214
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,359
after some heavy conversation on other

1215
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:19,280
people's conversation there's that word

1216
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,240
again um and to wrap up dan uh john

1217
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,800
greenwald the black vault uh no doubt

1218
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:26,560
you are aware or have checked out his

1219
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:29,680
website or twitter feed um

1220
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:32,880
he done a little bit of foia ing as as

1221
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:35,839
his life um that's what he does as a day

1222
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,480
job and it's grueling and strenuous and

1223
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,560
he gets a lot of um

1224
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:42,400
a lot of nothing from that at times but

1225
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:43,839
when he gets something good that tends

1226
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:46,079
to be pretty good and it was picked up

1227
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,319
on a yahoo vice and other other um

1228
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,560
different media outlets as well that the

1229
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:54,880
obama library is releasing some atep

1230
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:57,280
articles down is that correct

1231
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:58,880
that is correct

1232
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:01,119
the word releasing is generous uh there

1233
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,400
are 3 700 articles that that

1234
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,839
will eventually be released through the

1235
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:07,920
obama library the fact they exist there

1236
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,240
is very surprising

1237
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,160
unfortunately

1238
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,400
john asked to do an on-site visit to

1239
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:16,480
look at the unclassified material and

1240
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:17,680
was told that they will take

1241
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:20,640
approximately 16 years to prepare

1242
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,880
so it's going to be a while he put out a

1243
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:24,960
call for some officials to maybe help

1244
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,800
him get this process moved along and who

1245
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:28,400
knows there might be an expedition

1246
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:29,760
process going on in the background for

1247
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:31,200
this stuff we know there are some other

1248
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:32,640
places who have documents that are

1249
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,680
currently going through them at the

1250
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,440
moment but

1251
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,599
for me it's clear that foil work is

1252
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:40,000
ongoing to get documents for these

1253
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,760
programs behind the scenes so even when

1254
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,960
that thing's happening there are

1255
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,400
definitely people in those halls digging

1256
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:46,400
up these awesome native documents for us

1257
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,599
to eventually

1258
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:49,359
see uh the the

1259
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:51,680
un non-sensitive stuff

1260
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:54,079
but there must be an overwhelming of

1261
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:57,119
people asking for this stuff for this

1262
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,640
much of a coordinated effort to be

1263
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:00,640
happening with them and it's good that

1264
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:01,839
it's coming from various different

1265
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,000
places rather than having one gatekeeper

1266
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:06,880
for the official government uh documents

1267
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:09,359
they the obama library one of the nice

1268
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,640
things about it is that they want it to

1269
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,400
be an all digitized

1270
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:14,240
library completely digitized so it will

1271
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:17,280
eventually all be online tim burchard

1272
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,720
congressman tim bishop we've seen him

1273
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,480
pop up in the past in support of this

1274
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:22,400
kind of uap initiative

1275
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:25,280
he retweeted john and simply wrote keep

1276
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:28,079
digging this is a cover-up

1277
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,599
yeah i saw that online as well and

1278
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:33,760
you wonder as again with what's going on

1279
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:35,920
in the background with the the task

1280
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:38,240
force old task force office being set up

1281
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:41,119
the oi msg you know approvals funding

1282
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,280
happening as a lot of this also in

1283
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:45,599
response to the fact these organizations

1284
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:49,040
senators and congressmen and women alike

1285
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:49,920
are

1286
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:53,119
themselves in the background and it's a

1287
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,200
case of some of these organizations

1288
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,359
trying to get in ahead of the game and

1289
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,920
get through this documentation first and

1290
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,520
unfortunately maybe some of it's getting

1291
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,359
removed or redacted that we don't even

1292
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:05,359
know but you know again just getting

1293
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:07,040
ahead of things this i think has

1294
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,040
something to do with the information and

1295
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,800
data sharing that's been requested in

1296
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,720
the legislation that's been passing they

1297
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,960
need to hand over this stuff immediately

1298
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:16,720
obviously between departments they don't

1299
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,640
need to classify as much when they when

1300
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,400
they're you know cleared to see these

1301
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,560
certain things but in terms of going

1302
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,760
through it it seems like they're going

1303
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:25,520
through it once and kind of making

1304
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:27,040
separate piles of stuff that's okay for

1305
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,720
us to see and not um but rather than

1306
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,119
releasing it as they go uh i i think

1307
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,520
we'll just all see we'll see an 80

1308
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:35,119
archive dump at some point of

1309
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:36,880
unclassified material

1310
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:37,680
yeah

1311
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:39,920
and as always to finish up this

1312
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:41,839
breakdown we've got a james webb update

1313
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:44,319
don't we done and because the the

1314
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:47,839
mirrors are 100 aligned now and we got

1315
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,200
our first clear picture and so we've

1316
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:53,119
come a long way in a couple of yeah

1317
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:54,240
we've come a long way in a couple of

1318
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,920
weeks from that bloody picture where

1319
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:57,440
people were like oh my god is that the

1320
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:59,119
quality we're going to get that's awful

1321
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:01,280
it looks black and white and it's fuzzy

1322
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:02,640
and we've got something pretty

1323
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:05,280
incredible now yeah yeah absolutely um

1324
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,240
you know the

1325
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,400
the james webb telescope has a bunch of

1326
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:10,480
different sensors what we saw aligned

1327
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,800
was the the neocam it's called it's the

1328
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,400
main observation camera and there are a

1329
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,240
whole bunch of sensors around that that

1330
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:18,160
they'll now kind of be tweaking to work

1331
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:20,000
with that neocam sensor better over the

1332
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:21,280
next few months

1333
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,480
but

1334
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:24,400
basically the telescope is performing at

1335
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:26,800
or above expectations the image they

1336
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,720
took was just an evaluation image to see

1337
00:45:31,829 --> 00:45:30,240
if it was all aligned

1338
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:31,839
they focused on the one star that you

1339
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:32,960
can see in the middle if you look at the

1340
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,319
thumbnail if you're seeing this on

1341
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,720
youtube you'll see that image uh and we

1342
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:38,160
can link to it as well

1343
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:38,960
um

1344
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:41,760
but yeah they they focused on one star

1345
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:43,599
and completely by coincidence the

1346
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,280
telescope is so sensitive that we

1347
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,520
actually saw a lot a

1348
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:49,280
buttload of galaxies in the background

1349
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,480
and you can kind of almost see the

1350
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,079
spiral arms

1351
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:54,240
and it's so good that i would expect

1352
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:55,599
over the next couple of weeks that we'll

1353
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,040
actually see some papers written about

1354
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,800
the findings based on that evaluation

1355
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:00,640
image we we don't even have all the

1356
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:02,880
sensors kind of spitting out data to us

1357
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:05,200
yet and and it's so so so exciting to

1358
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:06,000
see

1359
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:08,319
this coming from just uh yeah let's just

1360
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:11,520
check it's working and uh yeah it is

1361
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:12,800
outstandingly

1362
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,240
and i think it's a nice place to end

1363
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:16,000
there on on the conversation we've had

1364
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:17,440
on this one talking about all those kind

1365
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:18,640
of

1366
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:22,640
communities within the ufo field and

1367
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:25,119
subject that forget all that and what

1368
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:26,640
we're looking at in terms of the subject

1369
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,160
and just look at what we are looking at

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out there in the reaches of space and

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the things this telescope this year

1372
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,760
might dig up for is not saying it's

1373
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going to you know confirm alien life on

1374
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another planet but we're going to

1375
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probably get some pretty incredible

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images ones that

1377
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maybe do start getting some of those

1378
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:43,520
those mainstream more of those

1379
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:45,280
mainstream scientists because i got into

1380
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:46,640
trouble off of a mainstream scientist

1381
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:47,839
recently for saying that they aren't

1382
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:50,240
involved when some of them are but maybe

1383
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more of those mainstream scientists

1384
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:53,599
going maybe there's more out there and

1385
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:54,800
there's a lot more that we could be

1386
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:57,599
looking into um probably fair then yeah

1387
00:47:03,030 --> 00:46:59,920
absolutely you know it's fair to say

1388
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that we are looking in certain ways for

1389
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:05,040
other signs of intelligent life it's

1390
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just that our idea of what that is right

1391
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:09,839
now is fairly limited and the more we go

1392
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:11,040
forward the more we seem to be

1393
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broadening what could be possible and

1394
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,319
the exciting thing about james webb is

1395
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:18,240
the stuff that we really don't know that

1396
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:20,960
it's gonna even show us yet

1397
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:22,240
four or five years we'll have some

1398
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,599
revelations to talk about from this

1399
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,520
thing but for now it's just a very very

1400
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:27,440
cool piece of technology that's you know

1401
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:29,119
shifting the paradigm in space studying

1402
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:30,400
a little bit

1403
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,240
absolutely and just to finish off folks

1404
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remember if you want to help out and one

1405
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,760
of the listeners who set up a wonderful

1406
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:37,599
organization where you can get a little

1407
00:47:42,270 --> 00:47:39,520
something back for donating and helping

1408
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,280
out victims of the war in ukraine it's

1409
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:44,000
www.bad

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vlad.com

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and the link will be in the description

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again dan thank you very much for your

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00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:52,549
you know what

1414
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,800
i i got to the meet button then to not

1415
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,400
say i was on mute but i i clicked it

1416
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,880
twice so i put myself back on me so i'll

1417
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,640
give it a good i was on mute and thank

1418
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,240
you for having me and

1419
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,079
i'll catch you next time

1420
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,240
that is all for this week's show thank

1421
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:08,160
you very much for listening please

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00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:17,119
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1433
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:36,640
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1434
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:39,440
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1435
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i don't think he

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[Music]

1437
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:17,270
i can't imagine how it could've been any

1438
00:49:45,530 --> 00:49:42,069
they thought this was noise they thought

1439
00:49:54,770 --> 00:49:45,540
it was a dream thought it was my toys

1440
00:49:54,780 --> 00:50:04,630
[Music]

1441
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:09,270
and what's that

1442
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:14,630
[Music]

1443
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:39,060
what's that

1444
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:45,040
[Music]

1445
00:50:53,690 --> 00:50:46,880
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a